This post is a riff on this article that I stumbled on through CNN’s front page this evening. Italics are mine. Everything else is copy/pasted from the original article.
1.Sometimes men just don’t want to talk women just won’t shut up. It’s an old saw that men don’t see the point of discussing a problem unless there is something they can do immediately to solve itdon’t like to listen to whining. I have certainly seen that to be true in my own life, both with male friends and boyfriends.
The thing I will never understand about men women until the day I die is why some of them struggle to understand that talking about a problem very often makes the problem go awaymakes the problem grow – or worse, creates a problem where there really wasn’t one to begin with. A lot of women feel better after an uncomfortable conversation, not worse men feel worse after an uncomfortable conversation, not better. Yet, a lot of guysgirls think talking is “doing nothing” and that if there’s nothing he can “do,” there’s no point dwelling on the matterdoing something constructive, even though they’re really just creating drama where none exists.
But she may not need him to take action. In fact, she is a biglittle girl and can solve the problem herselfjust wants some drama in her life. She just wants to whinesomeone to lean on, a shoulder to cry on, or someone to bounce ideas off of. If there is one piece of advice I could give to menwomen the world over it would be: learn to listenshut up.
2. Sometimes, a woman’s uses tears to really scare a man and/or make him defensive. One of the most messed-up things about how our culture socializes boys is that they are taught it’s not OK to cry. Crying is seen as a sign of weakness. I know men do cry — or at the very least, tear up during “Up” – but I’ve never seen a man (other than Rep. John Boehner) be as openly tearfulturn to tears as a weaponas much as your average woman. Crying is used as the “get out of jail free” card for women: ie, they turn on the tears and expect to automatically win the fight. No matter the justness of his cause, a man who continues to fight against a woman’s tears is automatically defined by our society as an “asshole.”
As a result, it’s my opinion that men don’t always know what to do when they see tears. Some seem scared by tears, like she’s a vat of nuclear waste overflowing. Others seem to get defensive, like tears are bullets hurled at them. Tears are neitherboth. They are just tears and they just represent sadness, frustration, humiliation or anger. That’s all.The only response is to maintain your cool, alpha calm. Her tears cannot be used as a weapon against you.
3. Sometimes it seems like they dig throw us in a hole and keep digging and digging – instead of just saying, expecting us to say “That was wrong. I’m sorry,” when neither is true. One of the best pieces of advice I’ve ever heard came from my friend Andrew, who told me, “Never change a winning game.” He meant that if things are going well for you then you shouldn’t tinker with it and instead figure out how you came to win.
The converse, obviously, is also true: you should change a losing game. But I’ve argued with many menwomen in my day and too many of them kept forcing me into playing a losing game. For instance, no matter how constructive you try to be in your response, it is always reframed against you. You, the supportive one, become the jerk for some totally retarded reason that has nothing to do with anything that’s actually happening on planet Earth.One long-distance ex-boyfriend used to hang up the phone on me when we fought, despite my telling him that it was totally unacceptable. But you know what? He kept doing it.[Ed - note the super alpha move here, and that by her own inadvertent admission she kept coming back for more.]
Other guys have continued to do bad stuff — judging me, ignoring me, etc. — even though I made it clear to them it was wrong.[Ed - she continues to inadvertently show that she responds to the alpha.] I don’t know if it’s an inability to admit they’renothing is actually wrong, or what, but this drives me nuts.
4. How any variation of “You’re just being too emotional/crazy/unreasonable/etc.” is apparently not a fair argument even when she really is being too emotional/crazy/unreasonable/etc. Oh, yes. The lovely “You’re just being crazyinsensitive!” trump card.
Don’t get me wrong: I know at least one woman who is certifiably crazy and several who are unreasonable. Surely, there are tons of others out there. But most guys are not dating these women — they just think they are aren’t — and they don’t throw around words like “crazy,” “unreasonable” or “too emotional” in a cavalier way anywhere near as often as they should.
The reality is that telling a woman she’s crazy or PMSing is dismissive and no guy gets to be the arbiter of a woman’s emotionsthe 100% correct response when she’s crazy or PMSing. That’s judgmental and it’s wrong, perhaps, but it also happens to be true. As much as I hate to admit my high school health class teacher was right, the advice she gave us to always use “I feel … ” statements while arguing was spot-on. is a good way to ensure that the argument has no actual content, and to allow women to have the upper hand in the argument no matter what. Telling a woman she’s crazy or over-emotional willmightaccomplish nothing, other than make her feel judged and make you look like a jerk, but at least the truth is where it needs to be.
5.Waking up the next morning and pretending nothing happened is not a resolution very often an effective technique. This goes back to item No. 1. Uncomfortable conversations don’t always have to be had. Going to bed angry doesn’t mean that the next morning all’s well againcan be very useful when she’s being crazy. Especially if she’s just PMSing and going crazy about something that isn’t an actual problem. Let her sleep it off. In the morning, she won’t even know why she was so upset about it.
Many women, myself included, can’t ignore bad arguments or harsh words that have been exchanged — especially not indefinitely. This is a good reason not to exchange them. Go to bed and let the crazy wear off overnight. There’s a difference between taking a day (or a week, or whatever) to collect yourself and have a conversation when everyone has calmed down and putting off an uncomfortable conversation indefinitely. But if she’s just being over-emotional, put it off until morning. Trust me on this one.
Please note: the tone of my edits is a little more directly confrontational than I usually am on this blog. It is entirely as a response to the confrontational and childish tone of Ms Wakeman’s original post.
Look, men and women argue differently. Anybody who’s ever been in a serious long term relationship knows this. The arrogance and hubris of this article is to assume that a woman’s way of doing it is the right one and that men are defective for not getting it. Note that there’s never once any consideration of meeting the men halfway and trying to come at an argument from our point of view – only the complaint that we’re broken because we don’t work like women.
This is also a classic case of women telling you what they think they want rather than what they actually want. It pisses me off because this is exactly the kind of bullshit that always caused me relationship problems. When I tried treating my wife the way Ms Wakeman describes, our relationship was terrible. It’s not what she wanted at all. Note her own admissions in the article itself: does she talk about any of the sensitive guys out there who actually bothered listening to her? No, because they got shunted into LJBF territory and forgotten. The ones she remembers are the alpha bad boys who hung up on her (super alpha), judged her (probably not the best move), and ignored her (a solid play, but better with a good reframe or at least a redirection first).
There are lots and lots of guys out there who behave exactly as Ms. Wakeman requests. Solid guys. Nice guys. Decent guys. Guys who aren’t getting laid. I know – I was one of them for a very long time. And the thing is, the women I treated that way weren’t happy. Despite anything they said, they didn’t actually like it.
Lest this whole rant come off wrong, my wife was never anywhere near as bad as the tone of my edits may suggest. But she’s a woman. She’s a lot more emotional in her reactions to day to day life than I am. Back in the day, we used to have many, many sleepless nights that went something like this:
Me: Is something wrong? [It is, and I can tell.]
Hermione: No, not really. [Lying.]
Me: What is it?
Hermione: No really, it’s nothing. [It's bugging the shit out of her, and I'm picking up on her body language - hence it's now bugging the shit out of me, while we're lying here in bed and I'm trying to sleep.]
Me: No really, what is it?
Hermione: It’s late. [And not getting any earlier. I've already figured out I'm not getting laid tonight - can we get through this already so I can go to sleep?]
Me: What is it?
Hermione:Diatribe on whatever’s bothering her. Usually it’s something minor and somewhat random (at least to a guy), like “do you think so and so hates me?” or “I just feel bad because of something random.” An hour or two of conversation ensues. We went to bed kind of late to begin with. Now it’s really late.
Me: Maybe you can do such and such about it – or – no, really, there’s nothing there – or – no, they like you just fine. Yadda yadda yadda.
To anybody with an ounce of knowledge of Game, it should be pretty clear that this just left both of us extremely frustrated – not to mention tired and grumpy the next day. You know what else? I know that according to feminists and whatnot we’re not supposed to mention it, but this kind of thing was about 100 times more likely to happen around her period. Oh, what’s that? A bunch of hormones are hitting and fucking with your emotions? No, it couldn’t possibly be that.
Or it really is that, and the appropriate thing to do is to find out she’s feeling upset, give her a little hug, tell her we’ll talk about it in the morning if she’s not feeling better, and go to sleep. And you know what? 90% of the time she’s feeling better in the morning, because she’s just being over-emotional while she’s PMSing.
Yes, it’s very important to be able to tell the difference between her just PMSing and when there’s an actual problem. Actual problems need to be dealt with, although 90% of them can still wait until morning when everybody’s less tired/grumpy/hormonal. But here’s the thing: if she wants to be treated like a “big girl”, then she needs to also learn to recognize when she’s just PMSing. Thank god almighty that I have a wife who is at least able to comprehend that fact, even during the event itself. These days, conversations often go like this:
Me: What’s wrong?
Hermione:Brief overview of the problem.
Me: [Recognizing that she's being over-emotional] Ah. Sorry that’s bothering you. [Hug] Maybe we should sleep on it. I bet you’ll feel better in the morning. And I mean this in a nice way, but you’re probably overreacting a little because your hormones are going wacky at this time of the month.
Hermione: Yeah, at least I can admit that.
[Sleep ensues; in the morning, it's not even an issue.]
OH MY GOD this way is so much better. Let’s count the ways:
- EVERYBODY GETS SOME SLEEP
- No awkward conversation where I’m trying to be supportive and yet it somehow turns into a fight.
- EVERYBODY GETS SOME SLEEP
- Non-problems don’t get elevated into the status of real problems.
- EVERYBODY GETS SOME SLEEP
- I may not come off as super alpha, but I don’t come off looking like a beta boy either. My wife’s vagina isn’t snapping tight anymore. She’s not getting frustrated at my betaness anymore, and I’m getting a whole lot less frustrated over that vagina that’s no longer snapped tight.
- EVERYBODY GETS SOME SLEEP
Everybody wins. The moral of the story, kids, is one we’ve learned at this blog over and over and over again: don’t listen to women when they tell you what they want. Watch, instead, how they react to what you do.
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