In response to my post about pegging being a DLV, Athol said the following in a comment:
It’s funny how no one regarded the trying him up experience or the girl on top legs together thing as a DLV or when they both could possibly be viewed as such.
As it happens, I was planning to write about that anyway, so here goes.
Male sexual submission is also a DLV. But depending on the circumstances, you might just be able to get away with it. The biggest thing is the degree of the DLV. Depending on context and how extreme it is, male submission can run the whole range from being a very, very small DLV to being an extreme DLV. Pegging is, in my not so humble opinion, at the extreme end of male submission. It’s a nuclear DLV. You’re going to have to be pretty damn alpha to pull it off.
On the other hand, a night where your wife just takes the lead and focuses on teasing you and getting you off, without letting you do anything in response might only be a minor DLV. The average male is simply physically stronger than the average female, so we all know that 90% of the time or more this simply requires male submission. But on the other hand, the woman isn’t actually doing anything strange, odd, hurtful, demeaning or damaging. So any kind of DLV that comes from it is pretty small. In fact, if you frame it correctly (say, for example, that it’s framed as a horny wife who just can’t keep her hands off her hot husband) this can even transform from being a minor DLV to being a nice DHV.
Then, of course, there’s a whole range of stuff in between. Getting tied up, blindfolds, whips and chains, etc. The important question is if you’re alpha enough to get away with it. Athol himself finishes his comment with the following:
No couple is 100/0 male/female dominant/submissive. Jennifer and I are about a 85/15 split. Just enjoy the sex and mix it up a bit.
And that gets right to the heart of it. An 85/15 male to female split is probably pretty healthy. A 100/0 split is probably unhealthy for a long term relationship. Eventually the woman is likely to feel abused rather than submissive. But if you’re trending toward 50/50, 40/60 or, worse, 15/85 you’re in trouble thanks to the hypergamous instincts of women. I’d guess that the sweet spot is probably in the 60/40 to 85/15 range, depending on the couple. OK, the numbers thing is a little silly (and impossible to actually gauge), so think of this as a guideline and not as an exercise to sit down and actually do the math. The important thing to think of is that you want to be comfortable on the side of dominance, but not to the point of abusive.
If you’re in that range, a little bit of female dominance every now and then is probably not only OK but a healthy, fun way to spice things up a bit. If you’re outside that range you’re only making things worse for yourself. And even inside that range, regular and often full on female dominant BDSM or pegging is risky.
The general concept here applies completely outside of sex as well. The more alpha a guy you are in general, the more you can get away with the more beta behaviors. In a post on crying in front of your woman, Hughman left the following comment:
The one thing I hate about take the red pill is knowing you can never show weakeness unless it’s for ‘vulnerability game’.
To which Badger replied (correctly):
Hughman, remember that the more alpha you act, the more beta you can be.
Exactly the point I’ve been trying to make this week – with the added note that you must remember that some things are extremely beta and require a pretty hefty dose of alpha to recover from. Hence even if it’s something you really want or your woman thinks she wants, think twice.
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